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  Watchtower Lost Lopez Summary Judgement

  by John Davis in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  superior court of california,.

  minute order.

  time: 10:00:00 am.

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  Bungi Bill

  Londo111,

  A "Summary Judgement" decision pretty much means that there is no case to answer for, and the matter is then just quietly dismissed.
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  Why does this forum tolerate Cold steele and his mormonism beliefs ? Who`s next ?

  by smiddy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i thought this forum was for people who were ex jw`s and pro jw`s and the like to debate ,discuss and reasonably talk about our differences ,and sometimes drift off into politics world events and whatever.. however over a period of time i have come across cold steel `s many posts which are nothing more than promoting his mormon religions point of view./beliefs what has that got to do with jehovahs witnesses and the concerns many have with the jw religion.?.

  it seems to me he is using this forum to promote his religion and is getting away with it over a long period of time.. how long before other cult religions see this as a springboard for promoting their own religion such as .

  sda`s ,christian scientists , christadelphians ,beroean bible students ,etc.etc.. where will it end if he is able to keep doing this ?.

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  Bungi Bill

  Cold Steel promoting the Mormon religion? There must be a point I am missing here, or something!
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  Could we have a topic subject on just watchtower organization news?

  by nowwhat? in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for kingdom hall and branch closings, leaked documents and videos, number of baptisms at assemblies, news articles on child abuse and other.

  etc.

  thank you.

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  Bungi Bill

  nowwhat,

  You have a PM.
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  God of the Old Testament

  by unsure in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  to those on these forums who are christian and or to those who believe in the god of the old testament; how does one overcome many of the questionable actions god took or allowed to happen in the old testament?.

  many if not most of us have heard of criticisms of the god of the old testament.

  you can find these criticisms on many websites.. how do you explain to an honest hearted person why god acted the way they did?.

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  Bungi Bill

  David_Jay,

  Firstly, we wish you a speedy recovery!

  Secondly, your following remark is a "real cracker" (as we would say down in this part of the world):

  "The real truth is that Scripture is based on religion."

  If that is not a "paradigm shift" for those of us from a Christian (particularly JW) background, then I don't know what is!
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  Could we have a topic subject on just watchtower organization news?

  by nowwhat? in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for kingdom hall and branch closings, leaked documents and videos, number of baptisms at assemblies, news articles on child abuse and other.

  etc.

  thank you.

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  Bungi Bill

  nowwhat?

  Precious little interest being shown so far!
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  Watchtower Lost Lopez Summary Judgement

  by John Davis in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  superior court of california,.

  minute order.

  time: 10:00:00 am.

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  Bungi Bill

  Others may have to fill me in a little about the details of this case, although it is obviously yet another incidence of sexual abuse within the JW world. Also, two different congregations appear to have been involved?

  Reading through all the legalese, it appears from the above notes that:

  1) The WTS attempted to gain a "summary judgement motion / motion for summary adjudication" by claiming that there was no "triable issue of fact" involved.
  

  • It tried to make an issue out of the fact that Jose Lopez (the complainant) had "released" the agent (congregation), while still pursuing action against the principal (WTS). The WTS claimed that this "release" also applied to itself, the principal.
  • That argument, however, was dismissed by the court.
  • The WTS further tried to argue that as a religious organisation, it could not be held liable for "negligent hiring" - which in this instance, meant appointing a known pedophile to the position of elder.
  • The court, however, cited precedents in California law in which churches can be held liable for negligent hiring.

  2) As a consequence, the civil case will proceed against the WTS on 09/15/2017.

  Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong, or fill in any details I may have missed!
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  Could we have a topic subject on just watchtower organization news?

  by nowwhat? in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for kingdom hall and branch closings, leaked documents and videos, number of baptisms at assemblies, news articles on child abuse and other.

  etc.

  thank you.

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  Bungi Bill

  Well it didn't take long for this post to get hijacked

  Sadly, you are quite correct!
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  To cure cancer we need to go back in time! From the Brooklyn Eagle 1916

  by Aussie Oz in

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  Bungi Bill

  Chemo and radiation are the only 'cures' that actually make the patient sicker ??????
  

  At the end of last year, my wife had to have a course of radiation therapy, every day for five consecutive days. While this left her feeling tired, she suffered no ill effects whatsoever. Furthermore, this treatment was effective.

  Beforehand, my wife was effectively paralysed when a tumour developed in her hip joint (imagine the very worst case of sciatica, then multiply it by at least five!) Within weeks of receiving radiation therapy, she regained full mobility. Furthermore, between that and the hormone therapy she remains on, this tumour is gradually shrinking.

  Having a daughter who is now an accredited nutritionist, my wife is also into the "juicing and dieting" approach as well as conventional medicine. From what I have seen, the juices she uses are harmless enough, and they actually taste okay into the bargain! Likewise for the diet my wife now follows (giving up the use of cane sugar is not going to harm anyone).

  Such measures may well have their place - but as a supplement to conventional medicine, not as a replacement.
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  God of the Old Testament

  by unsure in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  to those on these forums who are christian and or to those who believe in the god of the old testament; how does one overcome many of the questionable actions god took or allowed to happen in the old testament?.

  many if not most of us have heard of criticisms of the god of the old testament.

  you can find these criticisms on many websites.. how do you explain to an honest hearted person why god acted the way they did?.

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  Bungi Bill

  David_J,

  Thanks for your interesting posts explaining things from the Jewish perspective i.e. that of the writers of the Old Testament.

  What we are talking about here is the overall matter of "Spirituality" - which certainly includes, but is not limited to, religion / worship. The "spiritual" does not have to make rational sense; perhaps even in most instances it never does. However, as you have described, that in itself need not be a problem.

  All the more reason, though, not to allow oneself to get too bent out of shape over the matter of religion! When I first agreed to the offer of what the JWs call a "Free Home Bible Study", certain others tried to warn me that, to quote "Religion is all-right, but in its place". Sadly, it took me a long time to wake up to what they were warning me about!

  I have just finished reading Janina Bauman's Beyond these Walls. In that work, she, too, said very much the same as you did in the way the Jewish religion defines a people culturally. (Their family was not "practising" in its faith, considered themselves to be patriotic Polish citizens, yet still identified with their Jewish culture).

  PS: I for one appreciate your posts, which have re-introduced a depth of discussion to this board, of a type not seen here for some time.
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  What strange counsel did YOU GIVE to others?

  by Funchback in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  alright.... so in another thread, most of us have been counseled for some lame stuff, and the responses range from funny to shocking.. now, let's focus on you giving counsel to others.

  come on, don't be shy!.

  i'll begin:.

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  Bungi Bill

  This happened while I was a teenage boy, whose knowledge about the opposite sex could have been written on the back of a postage stamp with a felt-tipped pen.

  I was conducting a "Home Bible Study" with another teenage boy (slightly younger than me), when the subject came up about girls, dating, marriage and what the WTS's rules were about such things. Well, I did attempt to explain to him what I thought (and the operative word here is "thought") I knew about such matters.

  Bloody Hell ! If there is one thing more bizarre than "The Blind Leading the Blind", it would have to be a blind man being led around by another guy who doesn't even realize just how blind he himself is!